Climbing "Mit oder ohne", graded 7, in the Wachau/Waldviertel region of Austria offers a classic alpine experience. This route is known for its demanding technical sections and sustained difficulty. Climbers should expect a mix of face climbing with small holds and delicate footwork, potentially requiring a good level of finger strength and precision. The rock quality is generally good, though careful route finding and cleaning may be necessary on some sections. The overall setting in the Wachau/Waldviertel provides a beautiful backdrop for your climb, often with stunning views of the Danube River and the surrounding forests. Be prepared for potentially exposed positions and consider bringing appropriate gear for weather conditions that can change rapidly in the mountains. Solid climbing experience at the grade is recommended before attempting "Mit oder ohne".